i needed room when i moved so i sadly threw my entire library away.
i mentioned this to an exjw.
he and his wife took all the hundreds of books, including bound volumes from the 1800s and are now using them for research and proof of watchtower lies.. what did you do with your books?.
WuzLovesDubs said, "Eventually he himself threw away all his hard bound volumes because his JW elder step father had done so saying he only needed the CD now and it was dangerous to leave Jehovahs books laying around where they could get into apostate hands."
Do they realize what they are saying? They convict themselves with their own words.
most ex-jw's df/da that i know end up living a dangerous life.
some get into drugs, prostitution, gangsterism,etc.
as a result they prove the jw theory that says "whoever leaves jehovah's organisation won't make it" right.. it's difficult for me to say this, but it seems like jw's are partly right on this one.. why do most ex-dubs end up in a predicament of some sort?
Something to consider when discussing this topic is whether the percentage of ex-JWs who "get in trouble" is more or less than current JWs, some of whom get caught and only reproved, others of whom do not get found out. And how well would either of these figures compare with people who have never been JWs?
Another thing to think about is what definition is being used to describe "getting in trouble"? For JWs voting, celebrating holidays, attending another church, etc. are all sins. If they see an ex-JW who has grown a beard, acquired a tatoo, and is smoking a cigarette on their way into a bar, will they conclude the person is getting in trouble? What if the ex-JW is gay? Will they conclude that he/she must be living a morally debauched lifestyle? Those things are all legal, just not in WT land.
so i had a knock at the door this morning.
had a late one on here last night so i was still asleep.
ran down stairs thinking it was a delivery as i was expecting a couple of packages.
Your story reminded me of an experience I had when I was a pioneer. We were invited in by a lovely young Christian woman. She was so kind, accepting of us, and enthusiastic about her beliefs. We had a conversation where she shared her faith with us in a way that also accepted ours. While we had no success in trying to interest her in our version of "the truth", it was a pleasant conversation for all of us. When I left her home I remember thinking, "She is just like me, except my religion is the truth and her religion is wrong."
I always remembered her and what a beautiful person she was. Sometimes I would meet others who I knew were good people, but who I also knew would never convert to my "true" religion. It would bother me to think that Jehovah would destroy such persons simply because they mistakenly got involved with the wrong religious organization.
All those incidents were filed away in the back of my mind and eventually reached critical mass when I finally was able to see my way out of the WT.
the post-denominational era chinese churches on the way towards unity.
(case study) .
publication: the ecumenical review.
Interesting article. I'm not an expert on Chinese Christianity, but I do know that in Asian cultures there is a greater tendency towards conformity than in Western cultures. Perhaps this is a factor.
Welcome to the board! I'm not from New England though.
i was thinking that if the nielson ratings can use a formula to estimate that 10 million people are watching lost based on a survey by x amount of people.
could the amout of newbies / still-in's / lurkers* that post & or surf here tell us that, say, 2,000,000 out of the 6 mil + dubs are just riding the coaster, and could care less.. *obviously we don't know how many lurk, but i'm sure 10s of thousands around the world.. just a thought.
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I would love to get that info too. But my guess is that most lurkers who are still "in" wouldn't admit it publicly, for obvious reasons.
many claim that the watchtower organization is a business disguised as a religion?
is this the most accurate way to describe it?
or would you say it is a religious institution with some corporate or business strategies thrown in?.
In my opinion, the WT is an authoritarian, high-control religion that uses a business model for operation, growth and expansion. I have learned that this is typical of many cults.
most ex-jw's df/da that i know end up living a dangerous life.
some get into drugs, prostitution, gangsterism,etc.
as a result they prove the jw theory that says "whoever leaves jehovah's organisation won't make it" right.. it's difficult for me to say this, but it seems like jw's are partly right on this one.. why do most ex-dubs end up in a predicament of some sort?
I can see a line of reasoning to your theory, but I can't buy it unless you have some facts to back it up. Many a theory based on a small set of anecdotal evidence withers with the introduction of actual documentation. Furthermore, that has not been my experience or what I have observed in others.
I think you may have gotten a bit of a bad reaction to your theory by some posters because the WT uses this idea as propaganda on its followers to try to keep them in. That, too, doesn't mean it isn't true. But without any documentation it remains an open question.
I am reminded also, that the WT claims that most "worldly" people live debached and morally degrading lifestyles. Now that I am no longer a JW and actually know some of those people, I see how completely untrue and self-serving that assertion is. The WT has a history of making outrageous claims that promote their agenda.
For the above reasons, I am very skeptical of the idea that leaving the WT has a causal relationship to people getting into some kind of trouble.
are x-jws a cult unto themselves?.
do you think x-jws still have a need to feel "exclusive"?.
do you think they are just "wired that way" or is it due to cult influence?.
For me, the only thing 'special' about Jehovah's Witnesses is that it is the cult that I had the misfortune to be born into.
Agreed.
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